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The purpose of church and the question of music

December 13, 2008

I’ve somewhat agonized over the question of church for quite a few years now.  I grew up going to church every Sunday pretty much no matter what, because that’s what you’re supposed to do.  But in my married life I’ve stayed away from church probably about half of the time.  I think one of my biggest issues is: What is the purpose of church?  There are lots of good answers, but somehow either the answer doesn’t play out in church or everyone else’s answer is so different from mine that I don’t know what to think.  Maybe some of it is the modern/post-modern difference, maybe some of it is just me.

Some background (ok, a really LONG background)…  I grew up in an 80’s white affluent church.  At the time, they didn’t have a word like mega-church and even if they did, there were lots of churches like ours in the area I grew up.  A couple thousand people, three services on Sunday, the service was broadcast on TV, professional looking singers, Sunday School for every age, Bible Studies during the week, church sports league, etc.  You could pretty much spend all of your time in a church sponsored activity and never have to interact with anyone outside the church.  My family was very involved and for us children (being homeschooled too) we pretty much didn’t have contact with non-Christians (except for extended family because well, you’re supposed to be a witness to them anyway).  I wouldn’t say I had friends at church – through various circumstances I was always different than the other kids, but after so many years at the church you do generally feel a part of things.  At that time, my parents belief was that right doctrine was most important in church.  At some point (around nine years old) I stopped going to Sunday School and sat in the main service and it didn’t matter if it was boring or if I truly understood it; I was being inundated with right doctrine and that was the important thing.

Then it came out that the pastor was having an affair.  The church split, got a new pastor and our family left that church soon after.  For my parents, right doctrine was still most important but they didn’t truly trust that church anymore.

Then came the wandering years.  We tried most of the churches in the area, never stayed for more than a year or so.  My parents were still looking for right doctrine/good preaching, but came home complaining every week about something in each church.  Even finding a good preacher, they could complain about the music, the people, the atmosphere or whatever else disturbed them that week.  During this time, I didn’t really interact with the kids at church my own age (it was mostly discouraged by my parents and when you don’t stay anywhere for long you don’t really have a chance to be a part of a community).  I’d watch my parents at church – my dad sitting stoically listening and my mom with her sunglasses on and eyes closed and wonder what the point was.  I was gaining knowledge I guess, but was that really making me closer to God?

Around 15, I was in college and was around outside influences for the first time.  I made a Christian friend at college and started going to the college Bible Study they went to.  Wow!  My first experience with a college band and people closer to my thoughts.  I was going without my parents too – except when my mom insisted on going to check it out; make sure the teaching is right and everything (yeah, 15 with your mom at a college bible study makes you feel really different than everyone else).  They even started an alternative worship service (candles and everything) and I loved it.  It felt holy, sacred and real…and I didn’t have my parents tearing it apart after each meeting.  Of course, being that my parents were so isolated, very fundamentalist and somewhat not right anyway it started being a struggle to keep going.  I’d get yelled at for going, told I wasn’t being a good Christian or a good daughter (all those “bad Christians” at the college group influencing me) and even pushed to distance myself from any friends I tried to make there.  Finally, everything fell apart – not only the church who didn’t think the alternative service was a good idea anymore but my friends and family situation was too bad to continue.

Eventually I found a pre-emergent, post-modern church that I was going to on my own and by that time my parents were so convinced I was a heathen or something that they were happy I was still going to church – life was difficult with them, but I didn’t have any friends at church anyway, so they didn’t complain too much about the church situation.  Obviously without friends or anything, I can’t say I was a part of a community at church, but for that church I felt like a member of the team.  That was the important part – we were all a team together.  Church worked because everyone had a part.  It was a pretty big church with probably an 80% “ministry” population because hey, even if you don’t have much time, just spend a few minutes after church helping to stack chairs so this thing called church can work.  At the time, I loved it.  They had great music, I felt spiritual there and like it was a sacred space – even if I sat by myself.  They didn’t preach the “normal” verse-by-verse that my parents thought was right, but it didn’t matter so much to me and I was a part of something.

When I started bringing my boyfriend/fiance, it started to fall apart a little bit.  Once again I had someone with me who would leave the service picking apart all of the things they didn’t like (the people, the message, the song, whatever).  When it became too complicated to have one of the pastors marry us (full time college, part time work, regular church, plus 2 or more times a week of “marriage preparation classes”) I agreed to leave and go to the church where the pastor we picked to marry us preached.  Once again I was in the right doctrine type of church.  Didn’t mean there weren’t things to pick apart, but somehow it wasn’t as holy to me – it was just more knowledge.  Once the picking apart got bad enough, we just started staying home and studying on our own.  With a good commentary at your fingertips, what’s the point of sitting somewhere you don’t like when you’re not a part of the community anyway.

After a big move, we tried some churches again and settled on a Calvary Chapel.  Same thing for me once again.  Right doctrine was most important and even serving in the children’s department didn’t leave me as part of the community.  After having a child and finding that I could stay in a little room with screaming kids or sit in the hallway trying to listen (but have people constantly walk by telling me I should go to the nursery), it became an exercise in going out not even being able to sit in the service and hear what the pastor had to say.  I wasn’t a part of the community and there was no feeling of holiness/sacredness, so it didn’t make sense to keep going.

Now it’s been two and a half years.  I’ve looked into Emergent and said “yes, that’s exactly it”.  I’ve looked into house churches and said “sounds great”.  But there’s nothing like that near where I live right now and besides that, there’s still the question, what is the purpose of church?  I know my husband would still be along the lines of right doctrine/knowledge, but why do I feel empty when I leave that sort of church?  If the purpose is community, why haven’t I found that in all my years of searching?  I think there’s something broken with me in that regard.  Maybe a house church would work with something like that, but since there isn’t one here I don’t have much of an option.  What about holiness/sacredness?  On the one hand, I love the idea of that.  But on the other (like when I read Frank Viola), shouldn’t that be a part of all of life?  Does the idea of “worship” at church leave us with the feeling that music/singing is the only thing that worships God and that you have to do it in church, on Sunday (even if the music leaders suck)?

For a while, I even stopped listening to Christian music because I wasn’t sure: what if I don’t believe the doctrine that they’re singing?  Is it now wrong to sing the song (especially if right doctrine is most important)?  What if the spiritual/holy feeling I get from listening to music is just an illusion that I need to purge from myself in order to have a holy/sacred life instead of a once a week “fill-up”?

A few weeks ago I started listening again.  I even turned on one of my old CDs while I was at home for a while.  And do you know what I found?  Music reaches me.  Music for me makes me feel more fully human, more fully expressive.  I think when you get down to it, that’s a part of my makeup.  I liked the church and the places with passionate, talented music – not because I’m a snob and you shouldn’t be playing if you’re not any good, but because that’s how God reaches you sometimes.  I think there must be other people like me who aren’t reached just by sitting and listening to a “good sermon”.  Maybe the community stuff will happen at some point, but for now maybe I can let God pull me out of myself and reach me through the music.  Not necessarily the words expressed, but even just the feeling and sacredness behind the music.  Now, finding a church that believes that – especially in the small area I live in – probably not going to happen anytime soon.  But maybe I can still find a certain sacredness in the music apart from that and while most people may not understand it (where’s the good doctrine or the community?) maybe it’s still ok.  Maybe that’s what makes me me instead of someone else and maybe that’s a part of being true to myself and the person God made me instead of caving to what everyone else says is right and true.  Maybe God truly does reach each of us in different ways and maybe this way is ok too.

12 comments

  1. Hi!

    I found you by following the link from the comment you left on my blog. I assume you found me via Molly (AIM).

    Your post here brings to mind so many things we’re going through ourselves – i.e., what to do about “church,” and where. It can be frustrating.


  2. Hi, Lietofine

    Wow, have you been reading my mail? I can so relate to this. And we live in an area where there are no house churches. We’re doing church together–me, hubby, teen daughter. This works for now, and it’s where God has us.

    I do believe that attending “church” is all about community, worshiping God together and helping and challenging one another. We’re doing that as a family now, and we hope God will add some brothers and sisters when He’s ready.

    As to right doctrine, I do think it vital, but it is not enough. And it isn’t necessary, IMO, to hear the same sound doctrine over and over again. I’m sure we’ve both heard tons of sound doctrine in our lives. I’m not sure how edifying it is to hear the same sound doctrine repeated over and over again when you already know it.

    No, what you need to know is not a what, but a Who, and no amount of sound doctrine will make up for not knowing Him. I agree that sitting in church week after week hearing stuff you already know (however well-presented it may be) and never getting related to anyone is a drag and a waste of time.

    Anyway, don’t despair. I’m sure there are people here we don’t yet know about who feel the same way we do. God has been speaking to them and is preparing us all and will introduce us at the right time. If we try to make it happen, we could end up with an Ishmael. Be patient. I know God (the person) is working in your heart and in the hearts of others nearby and will put you together at the right time (if you don’t give up).

    God bless and keep you,

    Cindy


  3. Hi E, Yes I found your blog through Molly’s. I appreciate how well-read you are with your comments and it’s been very interesting to read your views.

    Cindy, I agree. I’ve sat through sound doctrinal sermons for more than 20 years and while they may sometimes be thought-provoking and you might learn something from them, sometimes it’s just like constantly being hit over the head with a hammer. Not that they’re bad, just that especially by themselves they just don’t do much. Thanks for the comment!


  4. On a related issue (i.e., church music), I think the next big fortune to be made will be in the hearing aid industry. I can’t count the number of churches we’ve been in where the volume of the “worship” music was such that a decibel meter reading would have indicated that the listeners were going to suffer permanent and irreversible hearing damage if they didn’t wear earplugs, and in one church we used to attend, we always had to wear earplugs.

    An acquaintance who attends or attended the same church said that she visited 13 other churches within reasonable driving distance to find ONE where the music was at a tolerable volume (one reason she never felt like bringing friends to church – in fact, she started showing up AFTER the “worship” time because the volume was too much for her to take, despite her love of worship), but she was unsuccessful in her efforts.

    We have found two churches near us where you can still hear and talk to the person next to you during the “worship” time in normal voices (my unscientific criterion for judging “safe” volume levels – not that I’m suggesting that people actually talk to each other during the “worship”), but one we visited, as soon as we entered the sanctuary and heard the “worship” music, we just kept on walking straight out the side door to the parking lot and back into our car. TOO LOUD!! Another one had a throbbing bass note that literally caused my stomach to vibrate and be upset during the entire “worship” time. Good grief!!

    Prior to going back to the vast Protestant carnival, we spent over 3 years in an Eastern Orthodox Church, the last year as converts to Orthodoxy (until I had a theological/eucharistic crisis where I realized I could not or could no longer affirm and assert some foundational and essential Orthodox doctrines). After spending those years where the worship consisted of a capella chanting of Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and praises and remembrances to God and Jesus and His Mother and the Saints whose days and lives we commemorated, meanwhile standing in reverence (only a few chairs for the aged, infirm, and people like me with back problems when the need arose) for the entire 1-1/2+ hours the service usually lasted, it has been doubly hard to go back to the rock-concert and performance-style “worship” music and PowerPoint-presentation slide-show w/visuals sermons we find nearly everywhere these days.


    • Hmm…that’s a bit of a tough one for me. I do like the rock-concert style. I like that type of music and I like louder with more bass. It’s a tough one to explain I guess… maybe for me it’s partly that sometimes my mind is so loud I need the music to drown out my mind before I can let go of the cerebral part of me. Now a bad, loud band is still a bad band and bad voices are still bad voices even if the instruments are loud.
      I’ve been to a Russian Orthodox church nearby and while I can definitely appreciate and enjoy the acappella music, it was not a spiritual-type of experience for me there (2 people singing in the “choir” in a little tiny room for the service).
      I think sometimes the thing for me is that the way I feel a certain sacredness to music is when it feels like “we’re all in this together”. You know, even at a stadium when everyone is singing the National Anthem, or a stadium at a Billy Graham conference, or a cathedral with the soaring ceilings and the choir all singing. It’s just not quite the same feeling of togetherness when you have only 2 people singing, or when you have a quiet band and a mumbling congregation. Know what I mean? Sometimes at least with the loudness (like I said, as long as the band is actually talented and works well together) you can close your eyes and feel like the music (if not the togetherness of a single-minded group singing) is surrounding you and you’re not alone in this journey.


  5. The whole music/volume thing is kind of a problem, isn’t it?

    Young people with healthy ears (for a short period of time) really love the loud music. It’s something to get lost in, to surround yourself with, to become one with, to unify the group into one instrument of praise (or of whatever else, depending on the circumstances, of course).

    But then there are the young parents standing in the foyer, as far away from the sanctuary as possible, because they have to protect their children. And there are the middle-agers with their ear plugs because the sound level causes physical pain for them. They may or may not like the music style, but that’s another issue. And there are the old folks who have either left the church altogether or have turned off their hearing aids and can’t figure out how to turn them back on to hear the sermon.

    So, is this love? And if it isn’t, is it really worship, or does it just feel good? Maybe true worship is in the way we live our lives, and is sometimes also expressed in song.

    God bless,

    Cindy


    • Yes, I can understand. I’m not saying it has to be “oh my gosh” loud, but the quiet “we can still have a conversation” level makes me sort-of sad in that I see that usually meaning that no one (ok, maybe 2 people) is actually singing anyway and you can tell because the music isn’t loud enough to cover that up. Like I said, bad is still bad even if it’s loud. But good doesn’t have to be so loud that it hurts your ears.
      Your last paragraph is part of my musing too… I hate that churches imply “worship time” (songs) is the only time you’re worshipping. I think it is in the way we live our lives and sometimes that does translate into songs as well. I guess the problem for me is that when I look at the purpose of church most people say either 1) sound doctrine/evanglism type stuff or 2) community. But when you’ve had the sound doctrine style drilled into you for so long and you still feel empty, that doesn’t hold up as a good purpose (like you’ve said, not that it’s not important, but it shouldn’t be primary). And then there’s me with community. It just doesn’t work right now. Maybe it will one day and maybe it never will. But since it’s not happening in a church setting, then that’s not a reason for me to go to church.
      I think I like one of the things that N.T. Wright has to say about the Christian life… If I’m remembering right, the three signposts that give us indications and expressions of God are: 1) something about knowledge (like sound doctrine stuff), 2) beauty (music, art, poetry, etc.) and 3) justice. Most churches seem to put all three into definite boxes of what’s ok and what’s important instead of truly letting people express who they are as people made in the image of God. The church would be so much richer to have each person’s expressions of these things instead of trying to keep it all in the boxes (knowledge can be transferred from pastor to parishoner, music can be this style, dance is wrong, justice as long as you keep your hands clean).
      For me, I think one my main expressions of spirituality is music (which I’ve been denying myself since I stopped going to church) and I’m starting to think that maybe the “feeling good” is worship in the sense that it allows me to express some part of my Imago Dei that I can’t express any other way. While you ask “is it love” for it to be louder than someone else likes or a different style than someone else likes – I think that’s the same sort of stifling of expression that my parents used to give for why people shouldn’t clap in church and they shouldn’t raise their hands in church and they shouldn’t dance in church – it might “disturb” someone else’s worship. I’m still trying to get over that feeling of what’s ok for worship and is it worship if it bothers someone else.
      Like I said, it’s a tough one. I’m not only a rock-concert style person and I’ll admit that when I go to actual concerts I do wear ear plugs – so I’m truly not trying to say “that loud” is what it should be. But there’s something to be said for music that surrounds you and the general majesty and sacred feeling you can get from that (including like I said before, choirs and cathedrals and just people truly being one in song) instead of the music in the front with one or two people singing in the “audience” (oh yeah, and sometimes you get a few more clapping somewhat unenthusiastically on an upbeat sort of song)…the sacredness just isn’t there and there’s just that overwhelming feeling that it really doesn’t mean anything to the people in the church.


  6. FWIW, since I raised the issue:

    Noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL) – this is hearing loss due to exposure to either a sudden, loud noise or exposure to loud noises for a period of time. A dangerous sound is anything that is 85 dB (sound pressure level – SPL) or higher.

    * A typical conversation occurs at 60 dB – not loud enough to cause damage.
    * A bulldozer that is idling (note that this is idling, not actively bulldozing) is loud enough at 85 dB that it can cause permanent damage after only 1 work day (8 hours).
    * When listening to music on earphones at a standard volume level 5, the sound generated reaches a level of 100 dB, loud enough to cause permanent damage after just 15 minutes per day!
    * A clap of thunder from a nearby storm (120 dB) or a gunshot (140-190 dB, depending on weapon), can both cause immediate damage.

    Decibel Exposure Time Guidelines

    Accepted standards for recommended permissible exposure time for continuous time weighted average noise, according to NIOSH and CDC, 2002. For every 3 dBs over 85dB, the permissible exposure time before possible damage can occur is cut in half.

    Continuous dB Permissible Exposure Time
    85 db 8 hours
    88 dB 4 hours
    91 db 2 hours
    94 db 1 hour
    97 db 30 minutes
    100 db 15 minutes
    103 db 7.5 minutes
    106 dB 3.75 min (< 4min)
    109 dB 1.875 min (< 2min)
    112 dB .9375 min (~1 min)
    115 dB .46875 min (~30 sec)


    • I’ve seen most of the dB information before. Not sure what my preferred dB music level is. My parents were somewhat fanatical about us kids not using headphones because of the potential for hearing damage. Maybe these people should rephrase the guidelines in terms of screaming toddlers! :]
      I think probably it’s not so much the dB level of music, but the acoustics of the place in question. I don’t know the average dB level of going to the Symphony, but that sort of sound and feeling can be just as majestic and sacred as rock-worship music in church. It is bothersome to me that many churches believe the music itself is so unimportant that it doesn’t matter about the atmosphere, volume, group dynamic, etc…and see people as almost heretical for having a passion about good music (you should be able to transcend the style, sound, etc in order to worship you know!) because the most important thing is the preaching anyway! I’ve been to churches that were loud, or just bad or even where you couldn’t make out the words because the acoustics were so bad and while especially the “modern” folks think preaching is most important, I’m coming to see that maybe it’s ok to acknowledge that God made me in a way to like music and to feel close to God and/or spiritual through music. While the “feeling” itself may not be most important, there’s no reason I need to deny that either in order to try and transcend my “fleshly” desires for a good experience.


  7. Hey, LTF

    Actually, I’d have to say that I believe that the community is the most important and that the community depends on many things, one of which, certainly, is sound doctrine. I believe, though, that this sound doctrine comes from searching the scriptures and listening to the Spirit together and individually and each member sharing with the others–not from one guy standing “up there” giving a speech.

    As for music, perhaps this is your particular gift (or more likely, one of them). Does God give you songs? I never had God give me a song before, but I have gotten at least half a dozen from Him in the past couple of months. It’s really amazing. Maybe they’re only between me and Him, but when I sing them, I enter into the most profound sense of worship. And this is me, sitting in my chair all by myself with no guitar or anything. I could write the songs by myself and they would be nice songs, but they don’t have anything like the same power. So I wait. You get way better stuff that way.

    The thing about the preaching being the most important part of the “service” started in the Reformation. Before that, it was Eucharist, or Holy Communion. So it’s not a real new thing. I don’t think the music has ever been the most emphasized part of worship (except in some churches in more modern times).

    Maybe what’s really the most important is whatever God is telling us to do next. What if every person in the church came with a heart full of God to share with her brothers and sisters? What if people prayed or spoke or prophesied or sang as the Spirit prompted them? It would be awkward until they learned to flow together, but would it not be a wonderful thing? Maybe worth praying about, seeking God to bring it into being? If this longing for community is in your heart, then maybe God put it there. Maybe He wants to work it out through you as you wait on His direction.

    Lk10.com is a nice place to go for some fellowship and information. Consider yourself invited, and don’t worry about the church planting thing. Their idea of “planting a church” is having (or wanting to have) two or more people gathered together in His name. So “church” could be having coffee with a Christian friend or a seeker and praying or sharing together.

    There are other sites you can go to, and they’re interesting, but this is a safe place. If you’re serious about wanting Christian community, check it out, and drop me a note there when you do.

    God bless,

    Cindy


    • Hi Cindy, Sorry I’m rather slow…new baby and lack of sleep has left me a bit behind on things. I totally agree with you. Church should be community – even the word itself says that. I guess something I’ve been thinking about as I process this is: when “going to church” isn’t community is it ok to “go to church” just for the music? Is it ok to pick someplace to GO just because you like the music and it makes you feel spiritual and/or close to God? Same thing with like a Christian music concert. I stepped so far back from Christian music for a while because I couldn’t be sure that the song had a right doctrine or that maybe the feeling I got wasn’t a good reason to listen or be around that. But now that I’ve been stepped away from it for quite a while and I listened for a little bit a few weeks ago, maybe the good feeling I get is ok and even God-given. Maybe it’s not community and maybe it’s not “sound doctrine” in a knowledge sort of way, but maybe it’s still somehow an appropriate spiritual experience.
      Thanks for the link – I’ll check it out sometime, but with the new baby it may be a while before I get to it.


  8. Man, do your folks ever sound like mine!

    Congratulations by the way!!! :-)



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